Chat Transcripts

Topic

Chat Session 4

Date

2025-12-17

Group ID

0

Course ID

308116

User List

Athey, LisaDougan, PeterJirele, AnnKelly, LoriKlatt-Simpson, DeborahKronebusch, MichelleMottram, NicholeNeuman, JenniferSimpson, StevenWaters, Danielle{Hafner, Nancy}
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{Hafner, Nancy}06:51:16 pmWelcome to the final chat for Understanding and Preventing Challenging Behavior! I want to thank you for your engagement during what can be a very busy time of the year!
Kronebusch, Michelle06:53:46 pmGood evening
Jirele, Ann06:53:54 pmGood evening!
{Hafner, Nancy}06:54:35 pmHi Michelle and Ann! Has it started raining where you are yet?
Kronebusch, Michelle06:54:52 pmThe rain is supposed to be here after midnight
Jirele, Ann06:56:02 pmNot yet. Should be close to 11 pm when it really starts coming down
{Hafner, Nancy}06:56:29 pmAnd then we get a skating rink!
{Hafner, Nancy}06:57:38 pmWelcome, Lisa!
{Hafner, Nancy}06:58:41 pmI think we have about 2 minutes before we begin.
Kelly, Lori06:59:31 pmHello
{Hafner, Nancy}06:59:37 pmHi Lori
{Hafner, Nancy}07:00:07 pmI think we lost Ann! How is everyone doing tonight?
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:00:55 pmGood evening
Kelly, Lori07:01:09 pmReady for the weekend haha
Athey, Lisa07:01:26 pmHello, I had to kick a kitty off of my lap
Mottram, Nichole07:01:25 pmHello all 🙂
Jirele, Ann07:01:33 pmI'm back!
Waters, Danielle07:01:38 pmHello
{Hafner, Nancy}07:02:11 pmMost of us have logged in, so I think we will jump right into our final chat! 😊
{Hafner, Nancy}07:02:54 pmOur primary focus tonight is working with our littles - infants and toddlers. Is there anyone who is currently not serving this age group in your program?
Kronebusch, Michelle07:02:59 pmMe
Simpson, Steven07:03:05 pmShello
Jirele, Ann07:03:22 pmI only have toddlers in my care
Athey, Lisa07:03:48 pmI always have infants and toddelrs
Simpson, Steven07:03:57 pmWe have toddlers and we’re expecting
{Hafner, Nancy}07:04:13 pmMichelle, I hope you will still find our discussion beneficial and we welcome your input!
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:04:20 pmWe have a toddler and are expecting 2 infants! (So excited)
Mottram, Nichole07:04:21 pmCongrats Steven! How exciting!
Mottram, Nichole07:04:38 pmDeborah that is exciting!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:04:46 pmExpecting....as in pregnant or waiting for 2 infants to enroll?
Simpson, Steven07:05:09 pmOh, we are not pregnant. Let me tell you that.
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:05:13 pmAs in awaiting 2 new infants 😂 we’re in our 60s 😂
Mottram, Nichole07:05:37 pmHaha! Sorry lol But that is still an exciting new adventure.
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:06:14 pmOh no, it’s exciting I deed
{Hafner, Nancy}07:06:18 pmLOL - I thought I was understanding your situation before 😁
{Hafner, Nancy}07:06:28 pmOK, first question *
Mottram, Nichole07:06:31 pm*
Kelly, Lori07:06:32 pm*
Kronebusch, Michelle07:06:34 pm*
Athey, Lisa07:06:37 pm*
Simpson, Steven07:06:38 pm*
Waters, Danielle07:06:40 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:06:43 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:06:55 pmWhat behaviors do you find most challenging in infants and toddlers? o How do they compare to the CSEFEL definition of challenging behavior for infants and toddlers?
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:06:57 pm*
Kronebusch, Michelle07:07:56 pmI find the physical harm to others. Biting, hitting etc
{Hafner, Nancy}07:08:49 pmRemember the definition - "any repeated pattern of behavior that interferes with learning or engagement in pro-social interactions with peers and adults AND behaviors that are not response to the use of developmentally appropriate strategies
Jirele, Ann07:08:51 pmPhysical harm. Pushing, and biting
Kelly, Lori07:09:01 pmI agree - pushing and throwing too
Simpson, Steven07:09:02 pmHitting me is the biggest problem we have.
Athey, Lisa07:09:10 pmBiting is the worst. It can interfere with the child"s ability to socialize with others
Mottram, Nichole07:09:42 pmThe most challenging part for me is the repetitive nature of behaviors. In toddlers, I begin to see the ability to navigate the circumstance to see results, but with infants that is never a guarantee. Infants that have discomfort or overstimulation without being able to find a solution, overwhelm me at times and i begin to doubt my abilities.
Jirele, Ann07:09:44 pmIn our room, we have a serial pusher and a serial biter
Waters, Danielle07:09:47 pmWe have defiance with one child at the moment and shoving, pushing, taking toys with another
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:09:51 pmYes, I agree Lisa, biting is the worst!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:10:37 pmLet's spend a few moments talking about biting...*
Kelly, Lori07:10:37 pmI had a serial biter and nothing worked. I dealt with it for 6 month before giving notice. He bit a girl’s nipple and it almost bled! That was the last straw for me
Kelly, Lori07:10:39 pm*
Kronebusch, Michelle07:10:50 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:10:53 pm*
Mottram, Nichole07:10:56 pm*
Simpson, Steven07:10:56 pm*
Athey, Lisa07:11:00 pm*
Waters, Danielle07:11:06 pm*
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:11:06 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:11:12 pmWhat do we know about biting in these early years? How does what we know impact how we manage this challenging behavior?
Kronebusch, Michelle07:11:47 pmI find its the way they communicate when they dont have the words
Waters, Danielle07:11:48 pmSometimes a reaction to not knowing how to express themselves
Kelly, Lori07:11:50 pmThey can be doing it if they’re teething or hungry in the early years
Simpson, Steven07:11:52 pmI’m all ears
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:12:03 pmIts eyes on always
Athey, Lisa07:12:17 pmBiting is powerful and get results so it when it gets the kid the desired outcome it is hard to curb.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:12:45 pmYes, Michelle. and Lori, teething is a natural developmental progression for children this age.
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:13:22 pmMost of the biting we’ve dealt with has been a communication issue or a taking away a toy issue which includes communication
Mottram, Nichole07:13:47 pmI bring parents on board when biting becomes a challenge. Many times there are changing life circumstances that cause the behavior. I have noticed when my toddlers are more stressed, they tend to want physical sensory gratification. Many troubles are resolved with oral fixation. Soothing with a paci, eating or drinking to resolve hunger, etc.. Partnering with parents to find the ultimate stressor resulting in habitual resolution helps curb the pattern. I also bring in the dialogue, "Teeth are for eating food, not friends." or something to repeat during conflict resolution.
Jirele, Ann07:13:49 pmWith knowing its a way of communicating I think we tend to give it more allowances than we would with older children.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:13:52 pmIf you remember anything about Piaget, children are in the sensorimotor stage of development in the first 2+ years of life. Sensorimotor meaning everything goes in their mouth, even other children!
Kelly, Lori07:13:53 pmSome kids don’t like to be crowded and bite
Mottram, Nichole07:15:30 pmOral exploration is our biggest challenge, that is for sure! It solves so many things in the early stages of life.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:15:47 pmYou have all expressed important points we know about WHY children might bite, but it doesn't change the fact that it is going to happen! How can we be proactive and try to prevent biting?
Waters, Danielle07:16:32 pmNoticing what triggers it to begin with, and intervening when we can.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:16:36 pmSome of you have already answered this - provide alternative chew toys, closely monitor/shadow the biter,
Kelly, Lori07:17:08 pmPut them in their chair if you need to use the restroom or if you’re changing a diaper
Mottram, Nichole07:17:09 pm"Noticing". That is a huge part of conscious discipline. When we notice early on any changes in behavior, we can anticipate times that the child will need support.
Athey, Lisa07:17:14 pmWatch for proximity of children that may bite each other. Give them alternatives for oral stimulation
{Hafner, Nancy}07:17:22 pmYes, Danielle, it goes back to our conversation about observation and documentation!
Mottram, Nichole07:17:36 pmOh yes Lori, and never let your guard down! Active prevention is key!
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:17:52 pmAs soon as we turn our backs
Kelly, Lori07:18:05 pmIt just happens soo fast!
Jirele, Ann07:18:20 pmWe offer chewies for the known biters and are strategic about placement in situations where the kids will be in close proximity
{Hafner, Nancy}07:18:35 pmWhen biting behavior continues when the child is 3 or older, other intervention strategies might be needed.
Simpson, Steven07:19:00 pmWe knew the only time our biter struck was during playtime so we watched more carefully… the little girl waited for us to turn our back and she’d stricken again.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:19:12 pmOK, let's go back to our syllabus questions 🙂 *
Athey, Lisa07:19:16 pmMy toddlers today were doing what I call exploratory biting. If one starts it goes on all day. I try to distract
Kelly, Lori07:19:17 pm*
Kronebusch, Michelle07:19:21 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:19:24 pm*
Mottram, Nichole07:19:24 pm*
Simpson, Steven07:19:27 pm*
Waters, Danielle07:19:31 pm*
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:19:34 pm*
Dougan, Peter07:19:36 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:19:39 pmn what ways can challenging behavior of infants and toddlers interfere with learning and/or engagement in pro-social interactions with peers and/or adults?
Athey, Lisa07:19:41 pm*
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:20:07 pmIt pulls us away from the goal
Waters, Danielle07:21:05 pmIt can interfere with building friendships
Kelly, Lori07:21:08 pmI had a toddler that got a lot of chair time because I was the only adult with 6 kids and couldn’t let the biter be free if I wasn’t next to him. It’s not far to the kid and they miss out on social interaction
Jirele, Ann07:21:11 pmTime taken to focus on the child having the behaviors is time taken away from everyone else. We have some kids in the room that are afraid of the pusher and biter and are hesitant to be around them
{Hafner, Nancy}07:21:11 pmCan you say more, Deborah, what goal are you referring to?
Athey, Lisa07:21:25 pmThere peers avoid them. The adult has less time to develop a close relationship with the child because they are spending so much time disciplining.
Mottram, Nichole07:21:31 pmI have recently lived this. I wasnt able to get a full observation or assessment for the child due to the withdrawing and acting out combination of behavior. She is now able to interact with her peers without additional behaviors, I have completed her assessments, and she is enjoying herself.
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:23:05 pmWhatever goal or thing we’re trying to accomplish, whether it be helping a child building blocks and instead trying to prevent another child from being eaten for not going down the slide…real life here
{Hafner, Nancy}07:23:19 pmthank you
{Hafner, Nancy}07:24:11 pmOne way to frame our thinking about the behavior of infants and toddlers is to think about behavior as being a form of communication.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:24:17 pmWhen we think about the behavior of infants and toddlers, much of the behavior considered challenging is behavior that expresses strong emotion or little emotion at all. Explain what this statement means to you.
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:25:06 pmTotally communication…they don’t know the words, but know how to get a reaction
Kronebusch, Michelle07:25:16 pmThey have a range of emotions but dont yet have the skills on how to appriately express them
{Hafner, Nancy}07:25:44 pmCould that desire for a reaction really be a way of saying, "I need you!"
Waters, Danielle07:25:58 pmSome of our kids that express strong emotion, are very comfortable with us and we are their “safe space”. Some who have little emotion, may still be coming into their own personalities and getting comfortable. If that makes sense
Athey, Lisa07:26:11 pmthey only have behavior to communicate their feelings
Kelly, Lori07:26:34 pmI took my daughter’s favorite bunny away and paci because it was time to eat and she freaked out (just turned one). Now we say see you soon and wave bye
Mottram, Nichole07:26:50 pmBeing unable to meet the needs of the child due to either extreme of behaviors, can lead me feeling doubtful in my abilities. By not having communication or understanding the communication coming from the child in moments of hardship, I encounter higher levels of stress and at times wonder if I am able to provide what the child needs. It is hard for me because I know that they need something from me, but sometimes I cannot figure out just what that is.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:28:13 pmAn excellent strategy, Lori! I don't think any of us would respond in a positive way if something we truly love or need is abruptly taken away from us!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:29:36 pmThank you for sharing those real feelings, Nichole. I skipped over the question about the essential needs of infants and toddlers, but it is an important step to responding to behaviors.
Jirele, Ann07:29:40 pmI was going along the same lines as Nichole. If I am not able to solve for big emotions or lack of emotions I can fixate on trying to "figure out" that child and how to meet their needs
Simpson, Steven07:30:06 pmI know exactly what you’re saying Nichole. Understanding what they’re trying to say is very difficult. It’s not her language, all I can is scan the area, see if I can determine based on what’s in front of me if first
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:30:27 pmAnd if all else fails go outside! It’s like magic medicine!
Mottram, Nichole07:30:31 pmThis job definitely makes you see what you need to work on!
Simpson, Steven07:30:33 pmAwwww my response to Nichole just disappeared
{Hafner, Nancy}07:30:38 pmScanning - awareness and responsiveness - love it, Steven
Kelly, Lori07:30:44 pmYes!! Outside always helps
Mottram, Nichole07:30:48 pmI can see it Steven!
Kelly, Lori07:31:13 pmSome days you just can’t give them snack fast enough so you can get outside haha
{Hafner, Nancy}07:31:28 pmLove it! Sometimes a change in view/location stops the behavior immediately. another strategy I remind people of is to offer a drink of water.
Mottram, Nichole07:31:34 pmI agree, nature is magic 🙂
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:32:02 pmFood water fresh air sunshine
Jirele, Ann07:32:09 pmNot just for the kids! It helps the adults too!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:32:10 pmLet's move on and I want you to think about younger infants now, under 1 year of age *
Kronebusch, Michelle07:32:14 pm*
Kelly, Lori07:32:15 pm*
Athey, Lisa07:32:19 pm*
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:32:22 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:32:24 pm*
Mottram, Nichole07:32:43 pm*
Simpson, Steven07:32:44 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:33:06 pmWe are often most responsive to older children who demand our attention. How do intensity, duration, and frequency relate to challenging behaviors that you experience in infants Be specific.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:33:45 pmI acknowledge that several of you mentioned feelings of inadequacy, not knowing what else to try to soothe a baby
Mottram, Nichole07:34:04 pmThey need us so much more that caregiver fatigue can become real.
Kelly, Lori07:34:49 pmYes, and get burnt out
Mottram, Nichole07:34:50 pmIt takes a special strategy of self-care, awareness, and resilience.
Kronebusch, Michelle07:34:59 pmIntensity relates to the level of their emotions. This can range greatly. Duration of activities can play a factor. If they become bored they can display different behaviors. Behavior can also occur more frequently if their needs are not being met
Simpson, Steven07:35:40 pmI have to tell the truth from our perspective. Thank the good Lord there are two of us.
Athey, Lisa07:36:08 pmIntensity can be alarming. I can anticipate an infant crying often but when it is SO loud and I need to care for others we all have to live through it.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:36:11 pmHow might the image of the iceberg described in the lecture notes this week tie into this discussion?
{Hafner, Nancy}07:36:50 pmYou are so fortunate, Steven & Deborah!
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:37:27 pmYes we are truly blessed
Mottram, Nichole07:37:58 pmUsing the iceberg strategy to analyze what you are living through, what is causing it, and creating an action plan to meet the needs of the situation. I use a strategy called R.A.I.N.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:37:59 pmConsider Lisa's example - what we see or feel is a baby who is crying loudly and with intensity. What might really be going on for this child?
Athey, Lisa07:38:23 pmThere can be many things under the surface that need to be considered as a possible cause for difficult behavior
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:38:39 pmHunger, temperature, wanting to
Simpson, Steven07:38:43 pmThe child could be hungry, child can have a soiled diaper, the child may just need human touch
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:38:48 pmFeel
Kelly, Lori07:39:10 pmCould be sick
Neuman, Jennifer07:39:17 pmTired, hungry, ill
Jirele, Ann07:39:26 pmWe can only make assumptions based on the obvious factors - hunger, diaper change, fever or general appearance
Kronebusch, Michelle07:39:32 pmTHe underlying conditions play a big role in what is going on
{Hafner, Nancy}07:40:01 pmUnderstanding Behavior is the Key. To provide the best care for infants and toddlers, caregivers should try to make sense of the behavior. A reflective approach
Mottram, Nichole07:40:02 pmRecognize, Allow, Investigate, and Nurture is what it stands for.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:40:21 pmThanks for sharing that acronym, Nichole.
{Hafner, Nancy}07:40:41 pmWe are almost out of time and I want to address the Final Assignment *
Kronebusch, Michelle07:40:50 pm*
Waters, Danielle07:40:51 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:40:53 pm*
Mottram, Nichole07:40:54 pm*
Athey, Lisa07:40:55 pm*
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:40:55 pm*
Neuman, Jennifer07:40:59 pm*
Dougan, Peter07:41:05 pm*
Simpson, Steven07:41:13 pm*
Kelly, Lori07:41:16 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:42:14 pmFinal Assignment Friday, December 19th • What will you take from this course and apply directly to your work and your practice? Be specific and include examples from the weekly readings, a post from the discussion board that was meaningful to you, or something you heard during a chat. .
{Hafner, Nancy}07:42:47 pmI am going to be a stickler on the due date as I will be going out of town for the holidays and need to finalize attendance Saturday morning!
Klatt-Simpson, Deborah07:43:05 pm*
Neuman, Jennifer07:43:13 pm*
Athey, Lisa07:43:19 pm*
Jirele, Ann07:43:20 pmSounds good! Thanks for facilitating Nancy!
Kronebusch, Michelle07:43:22 pm*
{Hafner, Nancy}07:43:24 pmAny questions about the final assignment or final words you want to share about the course with the group?
Kelly, Lori07:43:25 pmThank you!!
Neuman, Jennifer07:43:47 pmThanks!
Mottram, Nichole07:43:52 pmI submitted already but will redo the assignment to meet those standards. I went off of the syllabus. Thank you!
Simpson, Steven07:44:12 pmThank you
Jirele, Ann07:44:18 pmKeep doing all the good work you all do! Sounds like a lot of kids are lucky to have you all!
Kronebusch, Michelle07:44:23 pmYes your syllabus does have something different than when you click on the final assignment it asks that question. So I did both
Waters, Danielle07:44:27 pmThank you!
Dougan, Peter07:44:32 pmThanks
{Hafner, Nancy}07:45:28 pmJust wanted to clarify what "be specifc' really means!
Kronebusch, Michelle07:45:59 pmHave a great christmas everyone!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:46:00 pmI agree with Ann - thank you for all that you do to care for the children and support them on their good days and the not so good days!
{Hafner, Nancy}07:47:11 pmHave a great evening everyone and a joyful holiday season! I hope you are able to find time to be with your family and friends
{Hafner, Nancy}07:47:37 pmGood night all!
Neuman, Jennifer07:47:45 pmYou too, merry Christmas!
Kelly, Lori07:47:47 pmThank you!