Chat Transcripts

Topic

Chat Session 2

Date

2025-05-27

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0

Course ID

299460

User List

Amado, SarahBerres, AnnieFithian Ruby, AllisonRude, LindaSchmitt, Jo{Carter, Wendy}
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Rude, Linda06:55:22 pmGood evening!
{Carter, Wendy}06:56:30 pmHi Linda!
Rude, Linda06:57:24 pmHi Wendy
{Carter, Wendy}06:57:45 pmHow is your day going?
Schmitt, Jo06:58:27 pmIt was a crazy day after a holiday. But good to have it done. 🙂
Fithian Ruby, Allison06:58:52 pmHi Everybody!
{Carter, Wendy}06:58:54 pmYeah, those long weekends are nice, but it can throw routines off.
{Carter, Wendy}06:59:01 pmHey Allison! 🙂
Rude, Linda06:59:27 pmI was off work today. I had doctor appointment, so I took the whole day off. It was nice. Enjoyed the weather. We had rain showers this affernoon. It smelled so clean.
{Carter, Wendy}06:59:52 pmOoh nice, Linda. Glad you could take a day for yourself!!
Amado, Sarah06:59:58 pmHello!!
{Carter, Wendy}07:00:06 pmHi Sarah!
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:00:14 pmI only had two today because the others were still at cabins so we spent morning at Eloise Butler
Rude, Linda07:00:20 pmI agree. There are not going to be many days this sumer.
{Carter, Wendy}07:00:45 pmI wanted to ask you Sarah - I read the transcript from last week again and missed the part where you said people call you SJ. Is that what you prefer here?
Amado, Sarah07:01:20 pmYes, I'm more accustomed to answering to SJ for sure 🙂
{Carter, Wendy}07:01:32 pmSounds good! 🙂
Amado, Sarah07:01:41 pmThanks for asking!
{Carter, Wendy}07:01:50 pmAllison - what is Eloise Butler?
Amado, Sarah07:02:03 pmAhhhhh! YOU NEED TO GO TO ELOISE BUTLER!
{Carter, Wendy}07:02:23 pmLOL SJ - what is it? Where is it??
Rude, Linda07:02:25 pmWhere is Eloise Butler located
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:02:29 pmEloise Butler Wildflower Garden, located in Theodore Wirth park
{Carter, Wendy}07:02:56 pmOh, that sounds beautiful!
Amado, Sarah07:02:57 pmIt's a beautiful wildflower garden - right outside of Minneapolis Nature Preschool's school forest! We love going there!
{Carter, Wendy}07:03:09 pmHello Annie, welcome!
Rude, Linda07:03:14 pmI bet it was very beautiful today.
Berres, Annie07:03:23 pmthat sounds wonderful and I love those days when it works out to be only a couple of kids
{Carter, Wendy}07:03:47 pmI will have to check it out when we are in the Twin Cities with a little time to explore. 🙂
Rude, Linda07:04:10 pmI agree
{Carter, Wendy}07:04:32 pmI guess it's time to get started! 🙂
{Carter, Wendy}07:04:39 pmJust a little housekeeping...
{Carter, Wendy}07:05:39 pmWe are a small group so it's not as important, but last time I forgot to mention the *. Since I think all of you have taken an ETL class before you are likely aware, but we use the * when I am ready to change gears or signal that we are "coming together" again. Does that make sense?
Berres, Annie07:05:56 pmya
Amado, Sarah07:05:58 pmYes
Schmitt, Jo07:06:04 pmyes
{Carter, Wendy}07:06:05 pmKind of to keep us together.
Rude, Linda07:06:06 pmyes
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:06:10 pmNo, sorry, I don't understand
{Carter, Wendy}07:07:01 pmNo worries, Allison. In this text-based chat format, I might say that we are going to move to another question or change gears in the discussion. If I type an asterisk *, you all respond with the same *.
{Carter, Wendy}07:07:19 pmSo we could try it. Are you all ready to get started? *
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:07:20 pmI see. ok thanks. sorry to be dense
Rude, Linda07:07:32 pm*
Schmitt, Jo07:07:33 pm*
Amado, Sarah07:07:35 pm*
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:07:38 pm*
{Carter, Wendy}07:08:00 pmPerfect! 🙂
{Carter, Wendy}07:08:29 pmI also wanted to see if there were any lingering questions about anything? Any technical issues?
Berres, Annie07:08:46 pmim good over here
Rude, Linda07:08:49 pmnone for me
Schmitt, Jo07:09:10 pmI don't have anything.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:09:16 pmproceed
Amado, Sarah07:09:50 pmAll good, no Q's
{Carter, Wendy}07:09:54 pmSuper. Just wanted to check in on that. Thanks.
{Carter, Wendy}07:10:23 pmLet's start off with the reading for this week. It talked about the core characteristics of a quality EC program.
{Carter, Wendy}07:10:40 pmWhat other characteristics do you think reflect a quality program? What rises to the top for you?
Rude, Linda07:12:10 pmNot many turn over os teachers. Good communication with the teacher & parents.
Amado, Sarah07:12:17 pmIntention rises to the top for me. Intention for connecting with families, intention to keep oneself educated about important education issues like anti-racism, anti-ableism, social emotional learning/co-regulation
Amado, Sarah07:12:55 pmbuilding deep and meaningful connections and relationships <3
{Carter, Wendy}07:12:56 pmLinda - low turnover certainly communicates something about the program, doesn't it?
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:12:58 pmRelationship building
Berres, Annie07:13:04 pmCare rises to the top for me
{Carter, Wendy}07:13:33 pmAnnie - can you say more about that? What specifically about care is important for you?
Rude, Linda07:13:51 pmYes. In the Toddler classroom we have had the same staff for three years/
{Carter, Wendy}07:15:06 pmSJ - I love that word intention. It communicates that we are thinking carefully and deeply about all of those desires.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:15:33 pmI agree. I was starting to type pretty much what
Berres, Annie07:15:48 pmas far as turn over I agree, well being for all.....
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:15:49 pmSJ said, but she said it so much better I just shortened mien
Schmitt, Jo07:16:08 pmfor me its having that connection/relationship with families they want to stay with your program for as long as needed. I think also being on the same page as the families.
Berres, Annie07:16:23 pmand more on care....I believe that before any real learning can happen, children need to feel safe, loved, and understood, when their basic needs are met with genuine care, their curiosity and capacity to grow naturally follow.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:16:41 pmConsistency, self-regulated teacher/staff who models what trying to impart to children
Rude, Linda07:16:52 pmI agree with both Joy and Annie
Amado, Sarah07:16:54 pmCONSISTENCY!!!!
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:16:58 pmYes, Annie!
Schmitt, Jo07:17:29 pmYes. Annie I feel that too. having a connection, care/love and support.
{Carter, Wendy}07:17:30 pmJo - those connections really form the foundation for all that we do!
Schmitt, Jo07:18:02 pmthey do! I struggled with a family and once I talked to them we are doing so much better.
Rude, Linda07:18:18 pmChildren need consistency as well as we.
Schmitt, Jo07:18:30 pmIt does take a TEAM sometimes to raise a family and you are part of their team. 🙂
Amado, Sarah07:18:44 pmConsistency = safety, love and care
Berres, Annie07:19:15 pmI find consistency hard sometimes because I am constantly balancing so many roles, caring deeply for each child, responding to their individual needs, and adjusting to whatever the day brings. Even with routines in place, it can be challenging to respond the same way every time, especially when I am tired or stretched thin. I care so much that I often want to meet each moment perfectly, but I am learning that being consistent does not mean being rigid, it means showing up with steadiness even when things feel unpredictable.
Berres, Annie07:19:34 pmit makes me think of when I am co-regulating.....
{Carter, Wendy}07:19:44 pmYes! All of your thoughts blend together so well and really articulate the importance of those relationships, connections, emotions, etc. in order to really connect with a child and help them to feel safe to learn.
Amado, Sarah07:19:56 pmAbsolutely, Annie. Consistency does not equal rigidity. We all have to be flexible and adapt.
{Carter, Wendy}07:20:18 pmOoh Annie - I like that word steadiness. That's a good one.
Schmitt, Jo07:20:54 pmI like the steadiness!
{Carter, Wendy}07:21:22 pmWe don't need to worry about being perfect. But when we put the ideas in place that you all have articulated, we are enough. We are providing what the children and families need.
{Carter, Wendy}07:22:01 pmBut it's so important to care for yourself as well and to be attuned to your own needs. It's that "oxygen mask" idea - we care for ourselves so we can show up for others to be our best.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:22:20 pmI think there is also the idea of consistency of quality in environment, activities, etc. too,
Amado, Sarah07:22:24 pmThat is SO TRUE. It's not easy being a caregiver to EVERYONE!
{Carter, Wendy}07:22:52 pmYes Allison - good point. Consistent environment, predictability. Kids really need that too!
Rude, Linda07:23:02 pmso true.When we take care of ourselves we are more able to do our job of caregiver.
{Carter, Wendy}07:23:50 pmThanks everyone! So many great ideas and comments. I'd like to talk about the videos for a bit... *
Rude, Linda07:23:57 pm*
Amado, Sarah07:23:58 pm*
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:23:58 pmAlthough for me it is the guiding adult that is most important, there is something to be said about the actual physical environment of a quality program
Schmitt, Jo07:24:02 pm*
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:24:07 pm*
{Carter, Wendy}07:24:58 pmAs you viewed these 2 videos (one on Authentic Assessment and the other on the Essential Role of Obs & Doc)... please share any "ahas" or something that stood out to you.
{Carter, Wendy}07:25:32 pmOr anything in them that applies to your own program.
Berres, Annie07:25:43 pmyeah my team and I discovered sometime we would say things like "wow, today is hard, what is going on?" but in the end we learned to to pull the blanket back instead and say what am I missing today, once we were able to realize that we were hungry or tired we would communicate that with each other and take care of it, whether it would be tapping out....
Berres, Annie07:25:57 pmsorry I was typing that... but now im ready
Berres, Annie07:25:59 pm*****
{Carter, Wendy}07:26:15 pmAnnie - no worries! 🙂
Amado, Sarah07:26:16 pmIn one of the videos they used the word "interpret" and I found that very interesting. That we can take what we document objectively and without judgement and use that information to interpret next steps for scaffolding learning and building curriculum.
Amado, Sarah07:27:08 pmI also have in my notes "the purpose of assessment is to guide planning and teaching strategies." That stood out to me!
Schmitt, Jo07:27:28 pmIt needs to be ongoing and watching for the child's progress.
{Carter, Wendy}07:27:49 pmAbsolutely SJ! I'm glad you mentioned documenting objectively/without judgement. Not always easy to do!
Rude, Linda07:27:59 pmAgree with SJ and Jo. Those two stood out to me as well
{Carter, Wendy}07:28:52 pmOngoing. Not just a one-time thing, or to check a box. But that we are using the information we gather to help children move to the next thing in the learning continuum.
Schmitt, Jo07:30:03 pmAlso to see the whole child as they are not comparing to another child their age but that its the whole child even the learning/culture at home and what goes on there.
Berres, Annie07:30:16 pmit talk about how its about how it should be about the whole child, and it makes me question what they mean, when they say that
Amado, Sarah07:30:49 pmWhat part of the phrase "whole child" gives you pause, Annie?
Berres, Annie07:30:55 pmhaha thanks Jo!
{Carter, Wendy}07:30:56 pmGreat question, Annie! Let's put that out to the group! What do you all think about the term, whole child?
Amado, Sarah07:30:58 pmJust wondering:-)
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:31:10 pmin the second one the woman said that if you are not documenting you are not paying attention. I do not agree that is true for everyone. I also think that there is a big difference in that regard between a small FCC and a larger group or center based program. If you are in a larger group it is more important to put in those routines or protocols than small group you are with all day every day. in that sense more like a parental relationship.
Berres, Annie07:31:36 pmyes I agree Allison!
Amado, Sarah07:32:36 pmWhole child to me relates to a "holistic" view of the child - all of the connections and building blocks coming together like social emotional development, cognitive development, etc
Schmitt, Jo07:33:13 pmI think you have to look at their family dynamics. How their culture is or they are raised from their family. What I am trying to do is it similar are we on the same page.
Amado, Sarah07:33:23 pmyes, yes, yes Jo!!!!!
{Carter, Wendy}07:34:30 pmIndividual family culture indeed does have a huge impact on the child's development!
Rude, Linda07:34:34 pmI agree with SJ. I also think that it involves school as well as home. The two together
{Carter, Wendy}07:35:30 pmSJ - glad you mentioned that word "holistic". Areas of development overlap and one impacts another. Not just the individual parts, but all of it, all together.
Schmitt, Jo07:36:17 pmI have twin girls and they are each unique in their own way even though they are very similar they still need to be 'viewed' as different in their OWN way.
{Carter, Wendy}07:36:43 pmWow - our time is really flying tonight! I'd like to touch on the ECIPs for just a bit. *
Schmitt, Jo07:36:53 pm*
{Carter, Wendy}07:36:54 pmGreat example, Jo! 🙂
Rude, Linda07:36:56 pmI have learned that children may do things differently at home than they do in school.
Rude, Linda07:37:00 pm*
Amado, Sarah07:37:00 pmwoohooo ECIPS *
{Carter, Wendy}07:37:09 pmSJ - are you a fan?
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:37:12 pm*
{Carter, Wendy}07:37:20 pm🙂
Amado, Sarah07:37:21 pmHaha it took me some time, but yes, I am totally a fan!
{Carter, Wendy}07:38:04 pmPlease share with the group how you are using the ECIPs. What does it look like in your regular practice? Or if you are new to them, that's ok too! 🙂
Schmitt, Jo07:38:06 pmI NEED help with ECIPs but I think I will get there once I utilize them more.
Berres, Annie07:38:12 pmWhen I hear the phrase "assessing the whole child," I really take that to heart. To me, it means looking far beyond developmental domains or checklists. Tools like the ECIPs are helpful, but they can only capture a slice of who a child is. That’s why I get frustrated when systems like Parent Aware tell me I have to use an “approved assessment tool,” as if checking a box somehow validates the work I’m already doing. Tools can be useful. They help organize observations and communicate growth. But what do they really capture? The whole child includes so much more: how they eat, sleep, regulate their emotions, manage transitions, respond to sensory input, and connect with others. It’s how they enter the day, how they express joy or frustration, how they let us know their needs, even the ones they can’t yet put into words. Real assessment, in my view, holds space for all of that. It’s more than a snapshot of what a child can do. It’s a living story of how they grow, how they’re cared for, and what helps them thrive. That’s the kind of assessment we try to do at Kind Roots. Yes, we use tools like the ECIPs, but we go deeper because every part of a child matters, not just the ones with a domain label.
Amado, Sarah07:39:17 pmI was totally waiting for this response, Annie! Love it <3
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:39:19 pmYes, Annie!
{Carter, Wendy}07:39:26 pmAhhh Annie - so well said! That's amazing.
Berres, Annie07:39:34 pmor maybe I'm just missing something ? I just see flashy assessments dropping in my inbox all the time.... saying "here it is folks the best assessment for your childcare!"
Berres, Annie07:39:40 pmand I don't believe it
Berres, Annie07:39:47 pmyet there is a million of them!!!!!!
Rude, Linda07:40:36 pmAnne- Well said
Schmitt, Jo07:40:41 pmI did talk to my PA coach today about ECIPs and she liked that I wanted to have a goal towards getting more familiar with them and how to use them in my planning stages. 🙂
{Carter, Wendy}07:41:37 pmI think you actually said it in your response, Annie. Assessments are a tool to help us. They are/should be based on research. Not just MY ideas of what a child can or should do at a given age. But YES - 100%. we go beyond the tool to look at the whole child. I LOVE how you said, it's a living story of a child.
Amado, Sarah07:41:42 pmWhat I like about ECIPS is, for some families, it really validates the learning we are doing out in the forest. We've had people just not understand how PLAY IS LEARNING and by utilizing the ECIPS in strategic ways you can really add depth and educate others about the important work you're doing.
{Carter, Wendy}07:42:03 pmThat's great, Jo!! Just starting somewhere is a huge step!!
Schmitt, Jo07:42:07 pmReally like what Annie had to say. 🙂
{Carter, Wendy}07:43:11 pmSJ - That is so true. Tools like the ECIPs do validate the learning. So helpful for parents and educators alike.
{Carter, Wendy}07:44:10 pmAnd once we become familiar and comfortable with them, we go deeper to the next step. And learn more about the child. And how it is all related and leads us to the ways we can support the child in whatever ways they need.
{Carter, Wendy}07:44:39 pmWow, you guys inspire me!! 🙂
Amado, Sarah07:44:47 pmI love the way our director has had us interweave the ECIPS into the way we communicate about our work. Honestly, I didn't love them to begin with, but I've really grown to appreciate their value and how it's another part of building a school environment. Just like the "whole child" - ECIPS are one element, planning and curriculum are one element, our Work Sampling System (assessment) is one element; you need all of these elements or something feels missing.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:45:07 pmI would like to hear how you use ECIPS with families, SJ. Like do you say something you did that put in parentheses section number? I don't understand HOW people use ECIPS in communication with parents.
Berres, Annie07:45:18 pmSj I think it really helps to, I agree with you, I think that's why im here too, I want to use the ecips... I think... I am using them... but my arm could be twisted.... but I do want to find a way that they all align and a way to make it easy only teachers... and that's why I like hearing about all the ways all of you are incorporating them
Amado, Sarah07:46:05 pmWe use them in so many ways, I can make a list for you!!!
Amado, Sarah07:46:13 pmI don't know if I can type fast enough!
{Carter, Wendy}07:46:22 pmThere are parent handouts that are a part of the ECIPs. They give helpful and parent friendly ways parents can be a part of a child's learning and development.
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:46:26 pmI guess I just mean, how do you reference them TO the parents
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:47:16 pmThe ones I have seen seem a little... basic.
Berres, Annie07:47:27 pmI forgot about the parent handouts! Ill have to look at those again
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:47:28 pmhandouts I mean
Schmitt, Jo07:47:35 pmi have heard people use them in newsletters for their planning of the month.
Berres, Annie07:47:46 pmand SJ just keep typing! hehe can't wait !
{Carter, Wendy}07:48:07 pmfile:///Users/wendycarter/Downloads/Practice%20Brief%208%20-%20ECIPs%20and%20Parent%20and%20Family%20Engagement%20(1).pdf are also practice briefs that give you some ideas:
{Carter, Wendy}07:48:15 pmThat link isn't going to work
{Carter, Wendy}07:48:17 pmSorry
Berres, Annie07:48:21 pmoh that's good to know Allison.... maybe that's why I didn't save them.....
Berres, Annie07:48:29 pmI think I can copy and paste
Amado, Sarah07:48:31 pmWe literally copy and paste relevant ECIPS to caregiver communication and even in our own school wide communication. We add relevant ECIPS to every piece of curriculum we write. We add ECIPS to our conference reports. We add ECIPS to our bi-monthly newsletters (where we talk about what we're doing in school. We add them honestly EVERYWHERE hahaha
{Carter, Wendy}07:48:38 pmBut try googling MDE ECIPS parent engagement
Berres, Annie07:49:14 pmso do you di this individually and as a group?
Rude, Linda07:49:21 pmThanks Wendy for that information
{Carter, Wendy}07:49:31 pmThese are such great ideas everyone! And for sure, it isn't a one-size-fits-all for parents. But it is a helpful resource.
Berres, Annie07:49:38 pmare they redoing the ecips again?
{Carter, Wendy}07:49:43 pmIf anyone would like, I can email out a better link. 🙂
Amado, Sarah07:49:47 pmWhat do you mean individually and as a group, Annie?
Rude, Linda07:49:58 pmyes, please
{Carter, Wendy}07:50:05 pmAnnie - I do think it is starting to be in revision again. Not sure when it is supposed to be done.
Berres, Annie07:50:18 pmfor example in the newsletter will you post a picture and share the ecip ?
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:50:40 pmyes that's what I don't understand
Schmitt, Jo07:51:05 pmi heard today they are revising them like soon. PA coach got an email about them.
Amado, Sarah07:51:05 pmAh, yes, we usually have a separate section where we write out all the ECIPS that were covered over the past two weeks (we send out our curriculum newsletters every two weeks)
{Carter, Wendy}07:51:20 pmOk everyone - this is such a great discussion. We could go on for a long time!! I want to be respectful of our time.
{Carter, Wendy}07:51:42 pmThank you all so much for your amazing comments and thoughtful questions!!
Berres, Annie07:51:44 pmcan we just chat ? or will it close?
Rude, Linda07:51:54 pmThanks everyone. See you all next week.
Amado, Sarah07:51:56 pmOur supervisor has had us do some fun activities to get acquainted with them. For example, we'll take a fun activity we love doing like pond dipping and then we go through and try to correlate as many ECIPS as we can to that activity.
Amado, Sarah07:52:13 pmOk byyyyeeeee
{Carter, Wendy}07:52:18 pmI think it will stay open if you want to share a bit more. But anyone who wants/needs to log off, that is totally fine!
Schmitt, Jo07:52:20 pmSee you next week.
Berres, Annie07:52:36 pmok thanks!
{Carter, Wendy}07:53:01 pmHave a wonderful week everyone! You can check out the transcript if you'd like later! 🙂
Fithian Ruby, Allison07:53:14 pmbye
Berres, Annie07:53:24 pmSJ that does make sense thanks for explaining!
Amado, Sarah07:53:42 pmCool. I'm still here for a few if you want to chat more, Annie!
Berres, Annie07:54:14 pmoh yay! thank you!I
Amado, Sarah07:54:19 pm🙂
Amado, Sarah07:54:29 pmOMG typing so fast is exhausting.
Berres, Annie07:54:40 pmI m super slow at typing too....
Amado, Sarah07:54:43 pmYou should come and visit our school sometime. I would love to come to yours!!
{Carter, Wendy}07:54:44 pmLOL
Amado, Sarah07:56:29 pmThat activity I was talking about the ECIP correlation one is a really great way to get to know the ECIPS better. We have this one colleague who literally collects data about all of the ECIPS we reference in our newsletters so that we can see which ECIPS we're not using and build curriculum that utilizes those ECIPS too. Honestly, it's a lot! LOL
Berres, Annie07:56:49 pmok I think my question then would be you find the ecips that correlate with pond dipping (so much fun) but then those will go with the picture in the newsletter and it is posted as a group, I just think about if you have a kid that sits out and likes to observe more then participate,
Berres, Annie07:57:15 pmso then would you change there newsetter/?
Amado, Sarah07:58:00 pmNo, we keep them very general when we write them in our newsletters. Basically it gives academic language to the skills children are working on while we play.
Berres, Annie07:58:12 pmgosh honestly I think im trying way to hard to individualize everything... I like that a lot
Berres, Annie07:58:26 pmyour giving me really good ideas
Amado, Sarah07:58:27 pmThen in our conference reports we reference ECIPS more to the individual.
Amado, Sarah07:58:33 pmOh good!
{Carter, Wendy}07:58:46 pmSO COOL you guys!
Berres, Annie07:59:05 pmwill you try to meet every domain for each child? or kind of pick out some that you know they are meeting and again match them with lets say a picture again
Amado, Sarah07:59:11 pmHaha thanks for staying on a few minutes longer, Wendy!
{Carter, Wendy}07:59:29 pmNo problem! I love learning what educators are doing!!
Berres, Annie07:59:38 pmWendy do you have to stay on? sorry I didn't think about that
Amado, Sarah07:59:56 pmI pick out the ECIPS I know they are meeting.
{Carter, Wendy}08:00:02 pmIt's ok - I'm just waiting for my oven to heat up. 🙂
Berres, Annie08:00:23 pmyeah I like that... because it can really be overwhelming for all
Amado, Sarah08:00:42 pmWe used to have VERY extensive conference reports that went through each domain, but they would take teachers FOREVER to do. Many, many hours. Luckily we don't do that anymore just cause we don't have that kind of time. Who does?
Berres, Annie08:02:27 pmexactly ok, well thank you so much for sharing, I am leaving with new ideas and different ways to look at it for sure, your team is more then welcome to come visit, and I would love to get out to MNP soon!
Amado, Sarah08:02:46 pmAwesome. Have a great night!!!
Berres, Annie08:02:57 pmgood night! thank you everyone!
{Carter, Wendy}08:02:59 pmTake care!!